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Thursday, November 16, 2006

UCLA Police Taser Student

The power of ubiquitous media - UCLA Police on YouTube:
"All the ‘Net is abuzz with the latest viral video (viewer discretion advised for violence) … a UCLA student being forcibly removed from the campus library by police wielding and using the Taser(tm) electric stun gun."
Hard to watch, but it shows the power of having the ability to record a moment and distribute it to tell a story.

13 comments:

  1. Anonymous1:54 PM

    I saw the video. How many times the police told the guy to "Get up"??? Please count and explain this guy's actions and how he just "couldn't get up".

    You simply can't. But even take a step further: How did it escalate to the point of trouble?

    Any intelligent person at the first sign of trouble would think: "I'm caught. No ID. Leave now." It's over. End of story.

    There were choices for that student to make at that point. The best choice? Leave quickly and quietly.

    But no.

    It had to escalate.

    And when it did, he should have known that (1) I'm making a fool out of myself, (2) I'm disturbing the other patrons in the library right now (for whatever reason), (3) These people (police) are serious, I better cooperate and leave now.

    Nobody can justify why this guy started this trouble. Immaturity, spoiled nature, pride, ego. For WHATEVER reason, he felt he should stay. He just HAD to be in that library. And he couldn't leave quickly when he was told to.

    It was his fault. That's where this whole story begins and ends.

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  2. Anonymous3:14 PM

    I also watched the whole video. It was clear that the individual in question was headed toward the door. And also, have you ever been tased. Tasing leaves the victims unable to move for about 5 minutes. So yelling at the indivudal in question to get up is a moot point if you have just been tased.

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  3. Anonymous4:11 PM

    Would that be clear that he was headed to the door before, or after he tells the police "I'm not leaving, I haven't done anything."

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  4. "By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm."

    The student was leaving, he was not being immature. The cops were abusing their power, even threatening to taser onlookers if they interfered. Who is immature now?

    The point of tasing someone is to render them immobile. Yelling at him to get up is useless and they knew that; they just wanted to tase him again.

    I'm sick of people attributing the "trouble" caused to "kids" being "immature." This man was 23 years old and regardless of whether or not he presented ID or left willingly, a person who is UNARMED and NOT DANGEROUS SHOULD NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, be tased!

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  5. Anonymous7:23 PM

    innesesario y desproporcional... injusto

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  6. Anonymous9:45 PM

    I watched the vidoe as well, several times. It seemed like the kid was bieng a serious asshole and he ended up getting Tased for it.

    I know it is important to hold the police accountable for use of excessive force, but it is also imprtant to obey the law in a calm and civil manner, one the student clearly did not posess.

    I'd rather live in a socitey where a mouthy student gets Tased for refusing to cooperate with authourities than one, like the curret situation in Iraq, where laws are simply not obeyed.

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  7. Anthony Sanchez11:09 PM

    I would really appreciate it if certain people would stop creating noise and confusing the issue. Whether or not the tasered student "deserved it," which is a horrible judgement to make, failed to comply, was looking for trouble, etc. are all moot. The essential and only issue here is whether or not the police were justified in using that amount of force they did. The determination of his failure to comply don't even factor into whether the police were justified in repeatedly using tasers. The only determinations that need to made are: were there other, better alternatives to handle the situation? Was force even necessary? Was he a threat to the officers or anyone else?

    In short, perhaps he was wrong in not complying. But still, tasering a student in the library multiple times is awfully, awfully hard to justisfy. That is all.

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  8. Anonymous1:11 AM

    That's funny, I didn't realize "being a serious asshole" was an offense the police were allowed to answer with force. Was that part of the Patriot Act too?

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  9. Anonymous1:13 AM

    That's funny, I didn't realize "being a serious asshole" was an offense the police were allowed to answer with force. Was that part of the Patriot Act too?

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  10. Anonymous1:16 AM

    In reference to not being able to move for five minutes after being tasered, its untrue! My husband is a police officer and he has been tasered for training and public demos 9 times by an X26 taser. He stated that you can move soon as the tasering ceases, you have full mobility. His mouth was mobile wasn't it!??

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  11. Anonymous7:34 PM

    There are two ways to use a taser. Drive stun, the one the cops used, does NOT cause immobility, the accounts you hear of paralysis are when the police fire the probes at the target and discharge it there.

    The video tape caught the back end of the incident. You missed the part where he was asked to leave peacefully, repeatedly and heinstead began yelling to incite the other students to protest.

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  12. Anonymous12:34 AM

    For those that think the kid deserved to be tasered over and over again for, essentially, having a one person sit in, consider this. If instead of using a taser, the police decided to punch the student in the nose until he complied, would that be okay? What about breaking a finger every time he didn't comply? Of course, they would warn him first, "Stand up or we'll break your index finger! Stand up! One finger at a time buddy!"

    There have been sit-ins forever, and police have protocol in dealing with sitins. They know how they're supposed to handle that situation, and according to reports, there were five officers and 1 student.

    They could have cuffed him and lifted him up off the floor and arrested him. Repeated tasering for someone refusing to stand up, not attempting to flee the scene or cause bodily harm to an officer of the law, but only being an asshole, was unnecessary torture.

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  13. Anonymous6:04 PM

    Okay, several things here.
    First I am a law enforcement student, so I have spent a great deal of time discussing things such as use of force in general, and this incident specifically with my proffessors (who average 20 years in law enforcement themselves)

    Now, first, tasers do NOT prevent you from moving after you have been tased.
    Second, ALL police officers, before graduating from an acadamy, must be shocked TWICE with a taser, each time lasting at least TEN SECONDS - these were just little one and two second bursts - the cops have been personally hit with much worse than what they gave that kid.

    Also, this use of force was completley justified - the kid was inciting a riot, and refusing to comply with the officers reasonable request to get up.

    The officers did not simply drag him out because they could not turn their backs on the other collage kids, who were obviously sympathetic to our would be rioter. Turning their backs on the other students would have invited a riot in which the students would possibly have ganged up on the officers, seriously wounding them, and then people would have been killed.

    Indeed, those officers were to easy on the guy, Their mistake was in reapeating the request over and over agian - here in virginia we would have giving him one chance, set the taser to max, shocked the crap out of him for about five seconds, and as he was gasping for breath, two officers would have dragged him out while the other three (some one did say there was 5 officers, right?) prevented the collage students from interfering.

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