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Showing posts with label superdelegates. Show all posts
Showing posts with label superdelegates. Show all posts

Tuesday, February 26, 2008

The Real Delegate Count



Election Center 2008 - Election & Politics News from CNN.com

Obama is Winning - Taking a look at pledged delegates too and ignoring superdelegates for now. Yay!

Superdelegates take another look at Obama:
The Democratic superdelegates are starting to follow the voters -- straight to Barack Obama.

Saturday, February 23, 2008

Superdelegates are changing their minds

Soaring Obama starting to reel in superdelegates - The Boston Globe:
WASHINGTON - The Democratic superdelegates are starting to follow the voters - straight to Barack Obama.

In just the past two weeks as Obama has reeled off 11 straight victories, more than two dozen of them have climbed aboard his presidential campaign, according to a survey by the Associated Press. Hillary Clinton's are beginning to jump ship, abandoning her for Obama or deciding they now are undecided.

The result: He's narrowing her once-commanding lead among these superdelegates, the Democratic officeholders and party officials who attend the national convention and can vote for whomever they choose."

Wednesday, February 20, 2008

Barack Obama cruised past a fading Hillary Rodham Clinton



Obama Wins Wis. Primary, Hawaii Caucus:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Barack Obama cruised past a fading Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Wisconsin primary and Hawaii caucuses Tuesday night, gaining the upper hand in a Democratic presidential race for the ages.

The twin triumphs made 10 straight for Obama, and left the former first lady in desperate need of a comeback in a race she long commanded as front-runner.
It's not looking good for Hillary. People don't like her going negative.
Allocation of the 20 Hawaii delegates was not being calculated until later Wednesday.

The network commentators like John King on CNN are now asking people to exclude the Superdelegate count when looking at the race to see who is ahead.

Like I've been saying all along.

Superdelegates are going to change their minds and back the front runner.

Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Superdelegates are under no obligation to follow the will of the voters

NH: Red, White and Blue polling place

Pressure's on Mass. superdelegates - The Boston Globe:
"Unlike the 93 Massachusetts delegates whose votes at the convention must reflect the results of the Feb. 5 primary, which Clinton won, the superdelegates are free to pick either candidate. According to Democratic Party rules, superdelegates are under no obligation to follow the will of the voters, as history has shown.

In 1984, Massachusetts superdelegates lined up behind eventual nominee Walter F. Mondale, helping him carry the state at the Democratic National Convention, even though Gary Hart had won the state's primary."

Tuesday, February 12, 2008

Superdelegates will move to Obama

Barack Obama Rally Boston 10/23/07

William Kristol writes about my favorite topic, the free thinking, mind changing superdelegtes Obama’s Path to Victory - New York Times:
I’ll avoid a false precision in the numbers that follow. There are minor differences among news organizations in projecting delegate allocations in states that have already voted, and in counting preferences among the 796 elected officials and party leaders — the “superdelegates” — who vote according to their choice, not voters’ instruction.

Obama leads Clinton by roughly 70 delegates among about 2,000 chosen so far in primaries and caucuses. (There are still about 1,200 delegates outstanding.) Among the superdelegates, Clinton is ahead by about 100 superdelegates among the 300 who have declared a preference (though any of them can change their mind, so a count of them now is in large measure premature).
He goes on to talk about judgement:
"Many of these superdelegates are elected officials. They tend to care about winning in November. The polls suggest Obama matches up better with John McCain. And the polls are merely echoing the judgment of almost every Democratic elected official from a competitive district or a swing state with whom I’ve spoken. They would virtually all prefer Obama at the top of the ticket.

All of this will move the superdelegates to Obama — perhaps as early as just after March 4, or perhaps not until April 22, or perhaps not even until the last match-up on June 7. But the superdelegates will want to avoid a situation in which they could be in the position of seeming to override the popular vote, or of resolving a bitter battle over whether and how to count votes from Florida and Michigan, at the convention.

And there are, as a final resort, two super-superdelegates (so to speak) who would have the clout to help Democrats achieve closure: Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi.

If they stepped forward at the right time, they would earn the gratitude of their party. And they might also enjoy contemplating a derivative effect of their good deed — the fall of the house of Clinton."

Superdelegates Will Go With The Flow

Barack Obama Rally Boston 10/23/07

For Clinton, Bid Hinges on Texas and Ohio - New York Times:
"Several Clinton superdelegates, whose votes could help decide the nomination, said Monday that they were wavering in the face of Mr. Obama’s momentum after victories in Washington State, Nebraska, Louisiana and Maine last weekend.

Some said that they, like the hundreds of uncommitted superdelegates still at stake, might ultimately “go with the flow,” in the words of one, and support the candidate who appears to show the most strength in the primaries to come."
Good reasen for major media outlet to STOP counting superdelegates in their delegate count.

More:
Clinton's Hold on Superdelegates May Depend on Wins in TX and OH

Sunday, February 10, 2008

CNN Delegate Scorecard Excluding Superdelegates

The Real Delegate Count 02/10/08

Based on:

Election Center 2008: Delegate Scorecard - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com

Since no one else is going to do it, here's the actual pledged Democratic primary delegate count. Why they continue to highlight superdelegates is troubling me. It's like the media wants to hold on to the idea of Hilary Clinton as the front runner.

They should break their reporting down to show actual delegates, and then as a secondary report, put in superdelegates.

At the convention the superdelegates can vote any way they want, and could all then vote for the presumptive favorite candidate.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if there is that possibility, why continue to include superdeledates as the main tally of delegates.

If you see any news outlet excluding superdelegates in their main tally, I'd love to hear about it and send them a thank you note.

The Boston Globe reports the non superdelegte count in the eighth paragraph of this story, Obama sweeps; Huckabee is strong:
Heading into yesterday's contests, Clinton held a small lead over Obama in the delegate count, 1,055 to 998, according to an Associated Press tally, which includes the results of primaries and caucuses, plus a survey of unpledged superdelegates. But Obama's campaign said last night that after his wins, he leads Clinton by about 70 delegates among those awarded in actual contests.
At least I think it's the non superdelegate count. Not sure where the number 70 comes from. That's the problem.

More:
796 Insiders May Hold Democrats' Key:
With more than half of the superdelegates unclaimed, both campaigns remain hard at work. And even those whom they believe are secure could move. Arceneaux, the Baton Rouge delegate whose husband was named by Clinton in the 1990s as head of Sallie Mae, the nation's largest student loan company, said she is well aware of the fact that superdelegates are not firmly bound to a candidate until they stand up at the convention in August.

"I always have the option of changing my mind," she said.

Saturday, February 09, 2008

Grassroots Movement to Prevent the Democratic Presidential Nominee From Being Selected by Unelected Super Delegates

Obama

Miles Mogulescu: Build a Grassroots Movement to Prevent the Democratic Presidential Nominee From Being Selected by Unelected Super Delegates - Politics on The Huffington Post:
"While Clinton may temporarily lead among Super Delegates, it is impossible to know how the majority of Super Delegates will ultimately vote. Many elected officials who are Super Delegates owe favors to the Clintons and lean towards Hillary. On the other hand, many red and purple state elected officials will support Obama because they think he will be more helpful to them in local elections. It is vital to both Clinton and Obama that whoever wins the nomination is viewed as legitimate by the voters."

Thursday, February 07, 2008

Who Exactly are the Massachusetts Super Delegates?



Veracifier's Joshua Micah Marshall explains the superdelegates?

Who are the superdelegates from Massachusetts? Exactly?

Who are they?

We need to know so we can find out who they are going to be voting for in the election.

Jack Dew of the Berkshire Eagle writes, 'Super delegate' scenarios,
Of the 121 delegates who will come from Massachusetts, only 93 are apportioned based on the statewide vote.

The other 28 are "unpledged" delegates, free to vote for any of the presidential candidates at the national convention. Sometimes called "super delegates," this group is comprised of the 10 members of the House of Representatives, both U.S. senators, Gov. Deval L. Patrick, three former chairmen of the Democratic National Convention and others.


Here are the Massachusetts members of Congress:

Capuano, Michael E., Massachusetts, 8th
Delahunt, William, Massachusetts, 10th
Frank, Barney, Massachusetts, 4th
Lynch, Stephen F., Massachusetts, 9th
McGovern, James, Massachusetts, 3rd
Markey, Ed, Massachusetts, 7th
Neal, Richard E., Massachusetts, 2nd
Olver, John, Massachusetts, 1st
Tierney, John, Massachusetts, 6th
Tsongas, Niki, Massachusetts, 5th

From the article we can break down super delegates support like this:
OBAMA
Governor Deval Patrick
Senator Ted Kennedy
Senator John Kerry

U.S. Reps.
Michael Capuano
William Delahunt

CLINTON
U.S. Reps.
Barney Frank
Richard E. Neal
James P. McGovern
Stephen F. Lynch


Where do these U.S. reps stand?
Olver, John, Massachusetts, 1st
Tierney, John, Massachusetts, 6th
Tsongas, Niki, Massachusetts, 5th


How will it all end:
Mary O'Brien, of Pittsfield, a member of the Democratic State Committee, has served as a delegate to the national convention a half-dozen times since the 1980s. Every time, she said, the bulk of the super delegates have fallen in line with the majority of the state voters and the front-runner has emerged, unscathed by a tough convention fight.

"It would not be a sensible move on the part of the super delegates to light any fires under the electorate who make up their constituencies and, in the face of the majority, go against the raw votes in the commonwealth," she said.
We are left with 15 superdelegates that need to be identified. Who are they?

Please comment...

Update 2/7/08 10:56 AM:
Thanks Erik for pointing me to 2008 Democratic Convention Watch.

Clinton:
Rep. Richard Neal (MA)
Rep. Jim McGovern (MA)
Rep. Barney Frank (MA)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (MA)
DNC Steven Grossman (MA) *
Dr. Elaine Kamarck (MA) *
DNC Diane Saxe (MA) *

Obama:
Gov. Deval Patrick (MA)
Sen. John Kerry (MA)
Sen. Ted Kennedy (MA)
Rep. William Delahunt (MA)
Rep. Michael Capuano (MA)
DNC Alan Solomont (MA) *

(* are new superdelegates I didn't know about earlier)

Massachusetts DNC Members Who Have Not Endorsed:
John Walsh - MA Chair
Debra Kozikowski
Gus Bickford
Hon. Raymond Jordan
David O'Brien
Margaret Xifaras

Massachusetts Members at Large:
James Roosevelt Jr (MA)

Former Massachusetts DNC Chairmen:
Debra DeLee (MA)
Paul Kirk (MA)

So now I am missing (2)? Who are they?

Plus, can we have a conversation with these uncommitted super delegates?

Hello WTKK, WRKO, WBZ, WHDH, WBUR, WGBH?

Anyone in radio or TV land in Boston want to help?

More here:
Obama campaign?: Don't contact the superdelegates.
DailyKos: A Brief Primer on Democratic Delegates